FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF

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It's the Karen Kenney show. Hey you guys. Welcome to

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the Karen Kenney show. I'm super duper excited to be here with

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you today, and today, I think I'm going to call this episode.

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Find out for yourself. Find out for yourself. And if you've been

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around for a while, then you already, you already know that

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I'm a big fan. I'm a big fan of Fafa right. Fuck around,

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fuck around and find out. I really love to find things out

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for myself. I don't like to just take other people's words for

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things. Although I will say this, right, I'm already off on

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a tangent. I And we're back. I will say this. I do love reading

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a good testimonial. But still, even still, I have to find

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things out for myself. I don't even like to like if people will

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say to me, Well, what do you think about going to this place?

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I'm like, I haven't been there yet myself. I cannot give you my

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own real deal, Holyfield, True Blue, firsthand experience. I

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don't like to refer to things. I don't like to make

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recommendations, until I have found out for myself. Now these

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days, given that we have, oh, my god, the internet and AI and

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social media, I'm just like dragging my fingers across my

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face, just like stretching it out, like, oh God, right, with

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all of this stuff, it's so easy, I think to be cynical. I think

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it's so easy to think of worst, the worst of people. Now

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sometimes they are showing us the worst of themselves, so they

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make it kind of hard to not be cynical, but it is so easy to be

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cynical. It is so easy to other people. It is so easy to think

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of worse to people. It is so easy to be swayed by other

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people's opinions and feelings and stories and examples and

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whatever, right? But I think it's so important that rather

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than taking everybody else's words as the gospel truth, that

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that we find some shit out for ourselves. I'm a really big fan

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of finding out for yourself, because I think that our own

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personal experiences are how we must, how we must navigate the

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world right, finding out what's true for us, finding out what

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resonates with us, finding out what lands for us. And this can

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get a little tricky in family dynamics, because, and I'll just

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give you one example, this isn't what the show is about, but I

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will, because I know somebody's probably going to think this.

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It's like, there's this weird thing that happens in New

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England families. Or we could say New England families, or

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mass hole families, or whatever. Or some people might even say

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Italian families, whatever families fill in the blank, like

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there's this code of loyalty where they're like, if I don't

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like somebody or something, you automatically have to not like

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them or that thing too. And I just think that's a way of

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making your world very small. And a lot of times we have to

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take into consideration,

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right? Who has the opinion, who's telling the story, what

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lens, what point of view, what whatever, what's their trauma,

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tragedy, drama, you know, where they come from, things. So I

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just think it is so important that we find things out for

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ourselves, with the caveat, of course, that we don't put

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ourselves in danger to find shit out. You know what I mean? Okay,

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so I think it is like, I think, like, go try some things. Go

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experience some things. Go talk to some people. Go read some

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books, do your own research, find out for yourself, because

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for better or for worse, at least, you're going to know what

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you think, what you feel, what your own experience has been. I

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think we give way too much of our own power away to the so

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called experts, to the so called influences to, you know, to

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whatever. And yes, there are people out there who have been

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doing things a really long time, and I might even do a whole show

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on this. You know, there are times when people say to me,

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Well, I've been doing this for like, 25 years, and I'm like,

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Yeah, but if you've been doing it wrong or fucked up for 25

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years, like that doesn't impress me. Time doesn't impress me all

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the time. It's like, what is your depth and level? And can

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you apply this to more than just this one thing, meaning, so

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often I'm like, I'm like, a lot of times people can only teach

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other people exactly like them, and I'm like, but can you apply

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even like this to say, in a yoga class? But can you meet all the

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different people who are in front of you? You know what I'm

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saying? And sometimes, yes, of course, there will have to be a

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specialty class because of physical limitations or

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whatever, certain situations. But for the most part, you guys,

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what I'm saying is like, find out for yourself, and let me

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give you some experiences that I've had. And.

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I think this is so important naturally. I think I kind of

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come to this wanting to find out for myself for a lot of

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different reasons, but one of them, which is kind of come to

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my attention more recently in the past, maybe I don't know

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what's it been? What year are we in? Like eight years? So I

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don't, I don't. I am not an expert in, like, human design. I

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know a teeny tiny bit, but one of my friends Meg Haynes, some

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of you might know her as Meg marinaccio, but Meg Haynes

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meghanez.com you can go check her out. She knows a lot about

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human design, and one of the things she told me about my

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human design chat, in my human design, of like, how I how I

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kind of show up in the world is I have what's called a line

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three, right? And I hope you get curious about, like, what your

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chat, what, what it might reveal to you, whether you believe in

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this stuff or not, you don't have to drink the Kool Aid and

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start running your life based off of what your human design

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chat might reveal. But I do think it's interesting. And I

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think of all these tools of ways of just like, kind of reflecting

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back to us more information about ourselves. And if we're

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curious, we can learn all kinds of things. So I have a line

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three, which is basically called the experimenter, sometimes

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called the Mada, but not the Mada in the way that we think of

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Mada, but it's like the experimenter. So this tells you

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everything, right? So some of the things that are like wicked

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important to me in the way that I move through the world is that

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so many things are about trial and error. I gotta try things

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and find them out, right? So we are often like pioneers. They

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say we're pioneers who test life. We find out what does and

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doesn't work through direct personal experience. That is me

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100%

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I've got to go and meet the person and do the thing and go

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to the event and listen to the pod. I got to find out for

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myself what I think I love to hear what other people think.

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But then I'm like, Hmm, let me go have my own experience. And

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then I can kind of reflect against it and match it, or

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like, go, like, Ooh, that was not my experience at all, right,

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and get curious about it. We often tend to have

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resilience and mastery, meaning, like we face a lot of frequent

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setbacks because we're trying so many things, right? So while we

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might face a lot of frequent setbacks, what it really ends up

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doing is those experience cultivate our own deep wisdom.

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We end up, like, taking our failures, and we kind of turn

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them into practical data. Like, oh, this is what I learned. This

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is what I discovered. And I really love that, even with

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teachers and people that I really, really respect, or books

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that I've read that have been like life altering, I'm like,

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Yeah, I've got to now go practice this. I've got to now

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put this in to practical, everyday applications, like down

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to earth, spiritual applications, or whatever, to

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find out if this is something that is for me, something that I

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personally will find useful, right? So I end up with with a

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lot of resiliency, because I get knocked on my ass a lot, but

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then I learned from it, or I try to learn from it, not try to

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learn from it, do my best.

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We also end up having what they call authenticity, because we

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tend to connect with others through our genuine, often

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humorous and humbling life stories and field failed

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experiments, right? So we can say, oh, yeah, I tried that one

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time. Let me tell you what happened. And that's exactly

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what I'm doing today on this podcast is I'm going to share

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with you an experiment. I just did a situation, or like,

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several situations that I just experienced. And it's a little

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it's good storytelling, but it's also like meaning, like, I hope

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you're going to find something in it that will be helpful,

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using story to explain some things. But often my loss is

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your game, because I go out and try something first, and then I

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report back. And I love to be steadfast. I love to be

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resolute. I love to make my full report on things. And we also

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tend to be what they call we have the messy path. So line

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threes, we are meant it says, I'm reading this one directly.

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It says line threes are meant to break old bonds, habits or

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projects that no longer work to foster progress and evolution.

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Amen, double. Amen. Hands to that. I am all about that. Yeah,

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they say this is how it's always been. They say this is how the

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system is. And I'm not really into systems that don't actually

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work. I'm not into systems that are press I'm not into systems

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that are not inclusive. I'm not really into systems that tear

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other people down, or paint pictures about other groups of

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people or whatever that aren't true, that are just full

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bullshit and like I said, right now in the world, but the

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political divide and the divisiveness and the hatred and

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all the stuff that gets spewed online between the left and the

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right and the conservatives and the liberals and this and that,

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right? I'm always just like, hey, look, I gotta go find out

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for myself and the experiment that I just recently did, which

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I'm gonna tell you about right now, but before I do so, like, I

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tried something recently, I'm gonna share with you what I

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discovered, but what also kind of prompted this podcast today,

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kind of putting all the pieces together.

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Yeah, is a quote from Jonathan Franzen. Jonathan Franzen is a

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famous author. He's no longer with us, and he wrote a book

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called father away. And this was this quote, and I mentioned it

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before on another episode, but it stays with me. I love this

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quote. He says this. He says, When you stay in your room and

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rage and sneer or shrug your shoulders, as I did for many

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years, the world and its problems are impossibly

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daunting,

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but when you go out and put yourself in real relation to

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real people or even just real animals, there's a very real

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danger that you might end up loving some of them, and who

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knows what might happen to you then.

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So today, I'm going to tell you what happened to me when I went

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out and put myself in real relation to real people, but in

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a different way. Because, of course, we do that all the time,

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right? If you have a sweetie, if you have friends, if you have

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family members, but I went out and, I mean, I went out, but,

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like, people kind of came to me, and you'll see what I'm talking

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about in a minute. Okay, story time. Buckle up for safety.

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Okay, so you, like me, might have been a kid that grew up

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around like, flea markets and Yad sales, garage sales, all

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that stuff. My grandmother Kenney was kind of a notorious

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yard sale up. But when you grow up, kind of broke, when you grew

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up, kind of like first world poor, right? Trying to find

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things on the cheap. Like, I remember we were, like the kids

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of like, the hand me down clothes we would get, like,

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bags, garbage bags, big, brown, hefty bags, or green, those old,

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those green bags, right? The dark green bags with other

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people shit in it, people's kids who had outgrown stuff. It would

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come to, like our house, and we'd pick through it, and I

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remember, like, going through stuff and finding stuff, and,

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you know? So we were like, those kids, right? We did a lot of

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yard sales and all that stuff. But nowadays they have, like,

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online things. So there's like, Etsy and Poshmark, and like the

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marketplace and Craigslist. There's even like online garage

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sales and online like groups where you can like post shit

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that you have for sale. And there's even like swap like swap

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meets and stuff like that. So it's really kind of cool. So I

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was like, I want to sell some things. I was like, some of the

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things were, like, dumbbells and stuff like that. Because I was

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getting new ones, I was replacing my old cast iron ones.

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I wanted to get rubber plated ones. Blah, blah, blah. So I

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have these different things, like items in my house that I

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like I wanted to sell. Now, the cool thing for me is that I tend

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to keep everything, like, if I buy something new, I always keep

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the paperwork for that thing. It could literally be like a noise

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machine or a humidifier or a little whatever the fuck I keep

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everything because I don't know. I like to always know, like, if

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it breaks, how do I fix it? Is there a warranty on this thing?

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It had never occurred to me that it would come in handy years

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later when I want to sell something, or months later, or

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whatever. But I do so I have, like, a system, of course I do,

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if you know me, of course I do. So I wanted to sell some things

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online, and I had never done it before. So I reached out to

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somebody I know who was really good at selling stuff, and I

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asked them. I was like, so okay, I want to do this thing. I want

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to do this experiment. I want to find out for myself, like, what

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this thing is like, and how do it? And so they had told me

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about what they have done, and then they started to describe

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their experiences. And I got to tell you, it wasn't like a super

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positive one. It was like, the thing that I consistently heard

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from people is this, get used to just accept the fact that people

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are going to be flakes. I heard that all the time, people are

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going to set appointments and then not show up. People aren't

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going to meet you when they say, people are going to be flakes.

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Okay? People are going to low ball you. People are going to

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try to haggle with you. People aren't going to want to pay what

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you're actually asking for. People are always working an

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angle like data. So basically, mostly what I was hearing is

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that you can go ahead and try to do this, but just be prepared

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for a really unsatisfying experience, right? And I was

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like, Huh? I mean, but so many people do it, how, like, is it

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really that bad? And I'm like, I'm gonna go out and find out

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for myself, right? Because this is how I do things. It is, it is

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how I learn, and it's from my own learning, especially as a

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teacher and a mentor and a speaker and a storyteller a

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writer, that I'm like, Oh, I can take these experiences and then

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use them right as somebody who communicates. I'm like, these

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are like, I so I'm going to break down some of the items

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that I sold and some of the experiences that I had, because

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this was me going out into the world. I'm like, I'm not gonna

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sit in my room and in my house and shrug my shoulders and sneer

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and be like, Oh, we're all fucked and everybody sucks, and

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dadada just judging the rest of the world and being cynical. I'm

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like, I want to see this was like, a huge experiment for me,

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and I got to tell you, I was pleasantly surprised. I was.

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Really surprised, especially after all of the stuff that I

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heard, like all the danger Will Robinson and people are going to

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let you down, and people are going to be a drag. Now, I will

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preface it with this. Many people did try to lowball me.

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Many people did try to work an angle. But my approach to this

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was like, I'm not here to play fucking games. I'm gonna list

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these things at the price that I want, that I already think is

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fair. A lot of times I discounted things like 50% from

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what I paid for them, and they some of these things were, like,

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still brand new. So I'm like, I'm not haggling, I'm not

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playing this game. I'm not doing bullshit, right? So that Pat was

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true. Now that is just how it is with yard sales. You mock

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something like, you know, you do a yard sale, you do a garage

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sale, you mark it for a buck. People are like, Well, you take

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50 cents. Will you take? Like, I grew up watching humans in

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action, right? So that didn't bother me so much. That part I

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expected. But like, the flakiness and all these other

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things, like the weirdos that are gonna, like, be careful,

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like, meet in a public plays like all the information that I

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got, okay, so one of the common threads that I found that I

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thought was so fascinating is that number one, and I kind of

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know this Pat about people, but people really love to be seen

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and heard and to be asked questions about themselves. I

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already know this as somebody who interviews people, as

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somebody who communicates with people, right? And it works out

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because I'm wicked curious by nature, so I love to learn about

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people and talk about people, but it's amazing how much

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information a person will give you about themselves within

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moments of meeting them. I think it's a it's a fascinating thing,

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and you can please write to me and tell me if that's also your

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experience. But so I might change some of the slight

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details of the these people, because, you know, I mean, it's

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not like I just, you know, just to be mindful, you know. But

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some of the, some of the details don't really matter, like, I can

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just leave them as they are. But one thing I was selling was, I

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had just bought a weight bench and some plates, right, some

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rubber bump up plates, right? So they were, like, practically

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brand new. And I had a few other items, you know, like a step

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bench, like, you know, to do, like step aerobics or whatever.

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Like, certain things that I had, and this person shows up, and

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they come out of their car and

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and so, like, I'm always like, what are you driving? Data,

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right? And I always do this very safely. I make sure there's

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another person you know, that I don't do this alone, whatever.

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So, you know, person shows up, they come in and as they're

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they're grabbing things as they first step into my house, the

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first thing that they see in my basement, really, is they see

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these huge bookshelves, and one bookshelf has, like, all these

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Stephen King books on them. And they immediately start talking

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to me about Stephen King and Stephen King books and what an

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impact they've had on their life. And I'm like me too, and

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so we have this whole long thing. Then I find out that

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they're a chef, and they're a chef in Portsmouth, and they're

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actually a chef in a building right next door to one of my

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best friends businesses. So we have all these layers of

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connection. And by the end of this conversation, I'm learning

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about they wish that they like they want to write. They want to

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get back to writing. So I'm learning all about this person's

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family, their dreams, their desires, what they do for work,

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who they are, and they're like, you've got to come sometime and

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let me cook you a vegan meal. And it's like, oh my god, like

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that was literally my very first experience. This person showed

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up on time, in fact, writing to me. I'm leaving right now. This

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is my eta, like, whatever. I'm like, great. Like, so

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responsible, so friendly, so cool. And I was like, wow, they

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paid my asking price. They were really friendly. They were

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really amazing. Like, faith in humanity starts to be restored,

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right? Not that I ever lose it, but this these days, it can be a

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little rough out there. You know what I'm saying? It's a little

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tough sometimes to and I always say, This is why I try to focus

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on the good, the beautiful and the holy, right? I tend to see

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the good in people. I tend to see the good in people. And that

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shiny veneer sometimes can be worn down a little bit by what

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we see happening in the world, and what we see, like, you know,

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the comments you read online, the vibe, the energy, the

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attacking, the wars, the hatred, the misogyny, the Epstein files,

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the raping children like you just it can be a lot on the

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psyche, right? It can be a lot on the nervous system. It can be

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a lot on your like, hopefulness, right, for the world. So I was

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like, wow, that was a really good, positive encounter. Like,

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I love it. And I learned that this person is, like, as a chef,

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they're like, you know, my life has been very busy, you know, I

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put on a little bit of weight. I want to, like, get back in

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shape. And I was like, Oh, it made me so happy that my things

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that I was selling was going to be, you know, used for good use.

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I was like, that's awesome.

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Okay, the second person shows up. Now, this is a trip. Now,

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again, the common theme that ran through this for me is that

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everybody, pretty much except for one person, they had to keep

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bumping out their time. But I totally understood, and I had

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the time to give that day, so it wasn't a big deal and but they

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would touch base with me every time, like they'd be like, I'm

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so sorry, dadada. And I'm like, No problem. I'm just working

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from home. Don't worry about it. Blah, blah, blah. But everybody

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like showed up on time. I thought this was amazing. So

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this next person, I was selling a little walking treadmill pad

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that I had. Okay, this person pulls up. Holy shit, you guys. I

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was not prepared for this. I can't believe I haven't told

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this story before yet.

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So this person pulls up, and they pull forward so that I'm

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standing in the basement right, and I can see, like, how do I

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explain this? They're in an SUV of a kind, right? Being vague,

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they're at an SUV of a kind, and they pull forward enough past my

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basement door that I can see that they have installed in

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their back window an electronic sign. And as soon as I see the

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sign in the flashing lights, you know those signs where the the

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message scrolls across it, so like you have to keep reading.

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And I immediately think to myself, Oh, this must be a burst

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business person. This must be a fellow entrepreneur. I wonder

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what their business name is or whatever, right? Because, of

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course, I'm just like, doo, doo. I wonder what this person is. I

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can talk to them about their business, whatever, but this is

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what the sign literally says. Now, this one stopped me in my

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tracks. This one I was not prepared for. I got to tell you

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I was real. I was like, okay, buckle up for safety. Literally,

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what the electronic sign is scrolling in big red letters, is

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this breaking news? Exclamation point, exclamation point,

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exclamation point. Stores are running out of tampons due to

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the rise of pussies in this country.

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I was like, Oh my God. What have I gotten myself into? I'm like,

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here you are, FIFO wing, here you are fucking around and

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finding out. And it's like, Oh my God. And I was like, Look, it

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would be so easy to judge this person, to make an assumption

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about them, like what I think, how they politically lean, like

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whatever. And I was like, okay, just practice what you preach.

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Meet this person with curiosity. Meet these people like with

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without judgment. You know what I mean. And it turns out that

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this person was incredibly polite, was incredibly kind, and

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they were there, like, they're like, I said, Oh, you're getting

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this for yourself. And this man says, No, I'm getting it for my

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wife. She really wants one, and she has no idea. And I saw that

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this one was, like, practically brand new, and it's perfect. And

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I can't wait to surprise her. And then he tells me how he's

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gonna set it up in the kitchen, like, just have it be there in

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the kitchen when she gets home. And it's like, this beautiful,

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lovely gesture. And I'm just like, like, flabbergasted. I'm

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just like, I just love how surprising people are sometimes,

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you know? And I was like, Wow, here I am just relating to real

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people, putting myself in relation to real people. And

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even though I'm looking at that sign and going, oh my god, like

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the little mass hole kid in me, like, thing, you know, like

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laughs at it, the other part of me is like, oh God. Like, I'm

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shaking my head right? Like, I'm scratching my head, like, oh

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god, is that what we want to be putting in the like, because I'm

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thinking the level of commitment, the level of

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commitment that you not only had to buy this thing, you had to

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install this thing. You had to get power to this thing. You had

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to choose a message it was gonna say. You had to, like, type it

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in, and then you just let it run, even when your car's

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packed, even when your car's not idly, like, your car's the sign

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is just going. I was like, Oh my God, it was such a trip. And

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then they turned out to be incredibly kind and thoughtful.

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And I was like, wow, people are so fascinating. You know, next

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person comes for, like, a workout bench that I had, and

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their their person, their sweetie, actually had mutual

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friends of mine, but she sent her husband to, like, pick it

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up. So that was really fun. We connected, you know, online, and

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then the husband shows up, and I end up talking to him, like, and

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all these people. Here's the other thing I ended up talking

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to all these people. Most people said to me, Look, people are

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going to show up. They don't want to talk. Like, just do the

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exchange. Get in, get out. Like, let it be done. And I got to

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tell you, these people, on average, hung out for like, 20

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minutes minimum, like talking, sharing, telling me things about

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themselves. I'm asking questions, I'm learning all

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about them. It was fantastic. So this guy, turns out he's a

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landscaper and he does stone work, and we were just talking

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about his approach to design, and I'm like, how did you get

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into.

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This business, and learning about their childhood dreams and

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like how they started being like a like a stone and landscape

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person, and telling me the stories about the clients that

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they had and some of the richest places up in the lakes regions

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like Winnipesaukee, and just the experiences with rich clients

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versus people, and the level of appreciation and gratitude

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that's often lacking with people who actually have more. And so,

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like, it's a study in like, in like, human behavior. And I just

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find the whole thing fascinating. And, you know,

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we're talking about my yacht and, like, the things I could

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do, and I'm just like, how cool is this? Like, I'm making money

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and I'm meeting people and I'm learning shit. Like, how amazing

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is this? You know what? I mean? It was just so incredible. And

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then I was selling and I hope you're finding this interesting

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in some way. How this applies to you is we've got to go out and

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interact with others so we can decide for ourselves what we

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think. Right? It's like, again, it's so easy to just label

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people and judge people and throw people into these columns

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or into these groups of people and say, well, they're all like

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this, or they're all like that, and I don't want to be put in a

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box. I'm like, Hey, wait till you have your own experience

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with me. If I have had people in my life who don't like me based

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on what somebody else said or somebody else did. And I'm like,

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Hey, I've grown since then. Hey, I'm different since then. If you

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guys want to keep telling the story about me when I was 1721,

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30, whatever the thing is, I'm like, have you met me lately?

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You know? So I like to give people, you know, somebody a

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mess, whole kid that I know the other day said, give people

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enough rope to hang themselves with. And I'm like, Well, yeah,

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so a way of saying that is, give people the opportunity to show

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you who they are. Give people the opportunity to show you

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their real colors. Now I'm not naive. I know that these

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interactions were only like I'm seeing like a peep show, a

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little peek into the window of who people are. But people are

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sometimes, often more honest with total strangers than they

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are with their closest loved ones. This has just been my

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experience. It has been my experience almost my whole life,

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because a lot of times they're not worried about the backstory

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and being judged and how what they're saying is going to be

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interpreted through the lens of how they know that person always

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takes things or says things or feels things or whatever. So I

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find that it's really, really, really

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revealing. People are so fascinating. So I had this gray

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swivel sliding chair, and it was actually like a maternity chair,

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but I had bought it because sometimes when I like to read or

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when I'm holding, like, you know, back then, I had so many

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animals, and it was like being able to hold the like, you know,

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Toby pajamas in my lap, or Binky buttons, and I'm like, Oh, I

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always want a big chair that I can recline in and rock and

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swivel and read or whatever. But I didn't use it that much,

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right? I had this idea. It's always like, the idea is better

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than your head than what you really do. You think you're

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going to use something double A man hands. If you've ever

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experienced that, you buy something thinking, oh, yeah,

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this is so great. I'm going to use it. And then you find out,

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like, oh, I never, I'm making this up, but like, oh, I never

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use those cross country skis, or I never actually took up

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archery, or I never whatever. So it's better on paper than

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reality. So I was like, All right, this chair is, like,

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really in good shape. I'm going to sell it now. Here's the other

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thing I'm kind of I saw this post the other day. It made me

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laugh so hard. And my sister and I have often joked that, you

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know, and my sweetie often says that I would have been a really

Unknown: 00:28:31

good detective, because I'm really curious, and I love to

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research, and I love to find out ship and I'm fascinated by

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people, so I often think, Oh, I would have been a good private

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investigator. And I saw this woman the other day doing a

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video, and she says, I'm a find out ologist. And I was like, oh

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my god, I'm a find out ologist too.

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So anytime somebody would send me a message like, is this still

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available, right? I'm interested in this. Is this still

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available? I would always go to their profile. I always go to

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their profile and see who I'm dealing with. I'm like, okay,

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who's this person who's reaching out to me, who might be coming

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to my home address, or meeting me in a parking lot somewhere,

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or whatever? I'm like, I need to know who these people are. So I

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always go and check them out. And I'm like, Oh my God, these

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people who want to come and get this chair, they're like,

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Christian pastors. So I'm thinking to myself, Oh, my God,

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they're pastor leaders. They one does like youth, you know, youth

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worship leadership, the guy that was the woman, and the guy did

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whatever he did. And I thought, Oh, my God, they're in front of

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people talking all the time. They're probably going to come

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in and they're going to want to talk with me, and they're going

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to share with me. No, they were so quiet, they were so reserved.

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All I really got from them is, like, where they lived, that

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they were about to have a baby, that this was their second baby,

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and that they didn't have, like, one of these chairs the first

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time. And they just thought it would be really good, and they

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thought it was great, and it was really clean, and they loved it,

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and blah blah. And it was like that they that was a.

Unknown: 00:30:00

Pretty quick one. But the people that I expected to be, like,

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boisterous or very talkative or comfortable meeting a stranger,

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they were the total opposite. I was like, This is so fascinating

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to me. They were shy, they were quiet, they were reserved. So

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you also got to know, like, when I was like, Well, if I keep

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asking them too many questions, which is my nature, I didn't

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want to freak them out. I

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didn't want to scare them away with my curiosity, which some

Unknown: 00:30:30

people might find nosy, but it's really, I'm just really

Unknown: 00:30:32

interested in people, okay, but these last two are, like, some

Unknown: 00:30:36

of my favorite experiences. And again, I'm sharing all of this

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because I like to be surprised. I like to see how my ego mind

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immediately judges, like, what the past is. I like to be wrong.

Unknown: 00:30:49

Sometimes. I like to find out, like, oh, you had an idea of who

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you think these people were, or you have an idea of who you

Unknown: 00:30:56

think that person is. Like, I love to be surprised. I love to

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find out some shit, not just about other people, but about

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myself and how I think and why I think that way, and the stories

Unknown: 00:31:07

I tell and what I believe this is an exercise and like, finding

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shit out about yourself too. Okay, so the last two were like

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the best. Okay, so I was selling these dumbbells in a weight

Unknown: 00:31:21

rack, like I said, because I just gotten I just we just my

Unknown: 00:31:24

sweetie and I just upgraded, because we're strength training

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at home now. So

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first thing I realized about this person, just simply in the

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way that they're talking to me, is that they definitely have a

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military background. Everything is very abrupt and Curt and

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specific and intentional. And it's like, I'll be there in

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like, you know, 1200 hours, or 10 100 hours, or, you know,

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whatever. And I'm like, having to do, like, the code in my

Unknown: 00:31:52

head, like, Oh yeah, that means 130 like, whatever it was. I'm

Unknown: 00:31:55

like, Okay. And they're like, I can come and get these today.

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They're like, very direct, very right now, let's do this thing.

Unknown: 00:32:03

And I was like, Okay, what's and they write to me. I said, Well,

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when you tell me that you're I said, Where are you coming from?

Unknown: 00:32:09

I always ask that, where are you coming from? And they'll say,

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whatever, gilmington, like Hopkinton, con kid, whatever.

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And I'm like, okay, as soon as you tell me where you're coming

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from, and you're on your way, you're actually on your way.

Unknown: 00:32:23

I'll send you the address, right? So this person is like, I

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send them the address, and within seconds, they're like,

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eta,

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eta, like, I'll make up a time, eta, 212

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and I'm like, I'm like, shit that's in like, eight minutes,

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like they're coming, you know what I mean? And I stopped

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laughing, they pull up, I shit you, not. It is 212 like, it is

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like, on time, not a second to spare in the driveway. Let's go.

Unknown: 00:32:50

And they get out. And they're in a uniform of sorts, right? And

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I'm immediately like, Okay, I recognize the haircut, I

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recognize the color of the clothes, I recognize the vibe, I

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see the patches, like, whatever. And I'm like, Okay, this is,

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this is a serious person. This is like a military veteran,

Unknown: 00:33:08

like, does not mess around. And you're thinking, This person is

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going to be like,

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This person is going to be friendly, they're going to be

Unknown: 00:33:18

polite, but they're not going to let you in, right? Not that I

Unknown: 00:33:22

have any spectacular expectation that they need to, but you

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immediately, your brain starts to write a story based on

Unknown: 00:33:28

visuals like what you're seeing. When I tell you that this person

Unknown: 00:33:32

revealed so much personal stuff to me in a short period of time,

Unknown: 00:33:37

I was like, holy shit. And the things that I mean I found out

Unknown: 00:33:41

when they were retiring. I literally, I'm not kidding you,

Unknown: 00:33:45

when I said they told me, I'm retiring in this many months,

Unknown: 00:33:49

this many days, this many hours. And I was like, I said, like,

Unknown: 00:33:54

counting down the clock, huh? Yeah. And then I'm gonna X, Y

Unknown: 00:33:58

and Z. And they start to tell me their dream, right? What they're

Unknown: 00:34:01

going to do, you know, I want to buy an RV. I'm going to chase

Unknown: 00:34:05

the sun. I'm going to do this. I find out that he, this person,

Unknown: 00:34:09

is the youngest of a certain number of siblings, and that

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he's the only one left. I find out, like, I mean, unbelievable,

Unknown: 00:34:17

unbelievable, the depth of what this person revealed to me, and

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I'm just like, this is a no nonsense person. And I was like,

Unknown: 00:34:26

wow. And two things that I took away from this, besides being

Unknown: 00:34:30

surprised and just being pleasantly surprised, they say

Unknown: 00:34:34

to me, right? Because they've seen it all. They're not only a

Unknown: 00:34:38

military veteran, they're on the force, right? They're on the job

Unknown: 00:34:41

of some kind, that's what I'm comfortable saying. And they've

Unknown: 00:34:44

seen it all. And you can tell, I mean, I can literally tell by

Unknown: 00:34:49

what I see in their eyes that they have seen the worst of

Unknown: 00:34:53

humanity. So when this person turns to me after meeting me in

Unknown: 00:34:57

my sweetie, and he says, you know? And he.

Unknown: 00:35:00

Miles at us, and he says, there's still good people in the

Unknown: 00:35:02

world. Like, oh, I swear my heart grew like, three sizes,

Unknown: 00:35:06

like the Grinch. It was just like, just like, more like, just

Unknown: 00:35:10

like, blew out of my hat. My heart just blew out of my chest.

Unknown: 00:35:13

I was like, wow. And then I said

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I was asking him about the weights, and he said they're for

Unknown: 00:35:20

my friend's son, because this stuff is really good for kids.

Unknown: 00:35:25

This is good for young men. And I was like, I 100% agree with

Unknown: 00:35:30

you. I said that's really kind that you're picking them up for

Unknown: 00:35:32

him, meaning like, oh, the friend must have saw the ad and,

Unknown: 00:35:36

like, sent the guy whatever, and he says they don't even know I'm

Unknown: 00:35:40

doing it yet. And I was just like, oh my god, this person

Unknown: 00:35:44

with this tough and gruff exterior is just a sweetheart,

Unknown: 00:35:48

is a thoughtful person, is thinking about others. It was

Unknown: 00:35:52

such a remarkable I will never forget that exchange, probably

Unknown: 00:35:55

as long as I live. That was a really, really powerful

Unknown: 00:35:59

experience for me, because they told me some of the things that

Unknown: 00:36:02

I don't feel comfortable revealing, because they told,

Unknown: 00:36:05

you know, they told me, to my face, it's not, not my story to

Unknown: 00:36:07

tell. Let me put it that way. And that was a really powerful

Unknown: 00:36:11

experience. And I just thought, Man, I just love that you you're

Unknown: 00:36:14

surprising me by surprising somebody else's kid. It's not

Unknown: 00:36:18

even his own kid. Oh, my God, I don't think he has I don't think

Unknown: 00:36:21

he had children, okay, and then the last one you guys, this was

Unknown: 00:36:24

so fantastic, and this might be helpful for you or somebody you

Unknown: 00:36:28

know or love. So I had these orange floor chairs, and I had

Unknown: 00:36:32

this pink exercise mat, and this person reached out to me, and I

Unknown: 00:36:36

had two different listings, right? Two different ads, or

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whatever you want to call them, and they responded to both of

Unknown: 00:36:41

them, and they didn't realize yet I was the same person. So

Unknown: 00:36:46

when I responded, they put two and two together, and they're

Unknown: 00:36:48

like, Oh my God, you're the same person. It would be great if I

Unknown: 00:36:51

could pick these up together. And I'm like, Cool. So again, I

Unknown: 00:36:53

immediately I'm a find out ologist. So I go and find out

Unknown: 00:36:57

for myself who is this person, and I see and what I see makes

Unknown: 00:37:02

me so happy that I practically want to give the stuff away. And

Unknown: 00:37:07

so she's a young woman, and she's opening, and I'm shouting

Unknown: 00:37:10

this one out because I want people to support her business.

Unknown: 00:37:14

So she's a young woman, she's like 25 she's opening a new spot

Unknown: 00:37:18

in Concord, New Hampshire, and it's called Little bloom studio,

Unknown: 00:37:23

and what she is going to be offering is a calming sensory

Unknown: 00:37:26

space for neurodivergent children and young adults, so

Unknown: 00:37:29

that they can have experiences in a safe environment. And she

Unknown: 00:37:32

has a lot of background working with neurodivergent children,

Unknown: 00:37:37

ABA, but she also used to be a hair stylist. So what she's

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doing is she's creating a place with that offers sensory

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friendly haircuts and yoga classes. How amazing is that

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it's going to be this little studio in Concord on Manchester

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Street, and I'm just going to read directly it says it's

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intentionally designed to have everyday experiences feel more

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accessible and less overwhelming, especially for

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children and young adults who may struggle with unfamiliar

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noises, unpredictable movement and traditional group settings.

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I'm like, Oh, my God, I love that my items are going to be in

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this little yoga studio slash hair cutting salon, where people

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who are neurodivergent young children, whatever can come with

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their families and have an experience that is suited to

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helping them. I was just like, Oh my god. So I did actually. I

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gave her one of the items, like, much cheaper.

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I was like, You know what? Just here, like, I'm just so happy

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that you're taking it and it's going into a good place. It just

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made me so happy. My experience was the opposite of everything I

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had been told about, what I should expect, selling things

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online. Yes, like I said, there were a few people that tried to

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low ball me, and I just wrote back and said, Hey, I priced

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this at a price that I already thought was fair. And they would

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be like, no thanks. And I'm like, Okay, have a good day.

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Whatever. I didn't take it personally. I wasn't willing to

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budge. And something that the military guy said to me is, he's

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like, here's the thing, when you see something, it's a good price

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and you want it, you got to strike. He's like, Yeah, you got

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a strike. You just got to do it. No nonsense. And he's like, if I

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think the price is fair, I'm just going to pay. I'm not going

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to not going to try to get somebody. I was like, Oh my God,

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you're a person. I'm like, yes, yes, yes, and yes. So you guys,

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here's the big question that I want to leave you with, and I

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hope you have found this, at the very least entertaining learning

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about this. Maybe you didn't. I'm just really fascinated by

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humans and human behavior and why we think what we think and

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say what we say, and believe what we believe, and do what we

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do. And I think if we if more people took the time to be

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curious about themselves and each other, we would have a

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different world, rather than just laying our beliefs and our

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patterns and our fears all on top of each other, right? Our

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racism, our misogyny, our sexism, our bullshit, if we

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really understood why we are imprinted with those beliefs

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and.

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The first place, and we did some work to unlearn some shit the

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world would be a different place. Hence why I do the work

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that I do. But I had to start with myself, and I continue to

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work on myself, because whenever you start to find those sticky

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places or those tricky places, or those places in you where

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you're like, Hmm, I don't think that thought, that belief, that

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story is serving me or anybody else anymore, we need to do some

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work. So here's the question I want to leave you with, what

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have you been believing about other people and yourself based

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on what other people have told you? What have you been

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believing about other people in yourself based on what others

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have told you, whether it's the internet or the pundit on TV or

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the so called expert or doctor or wellness influencer or

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whatever the fuck, because there's a gazillion opinions

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coming at us all the time. And it was so funny. There's this

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guy right now online who does these videos, and he just did

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like this graph, right? You know, you do a graph where one

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side, like, think of it like an L shape, right? So there's the

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upside and the across side. And he was drawing and saying about

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opinions, and he was drawing this graph, and he says, the

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less, the less I ask, the more you should not tell me. The less

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I ask, the more you shut up. It was so funny, and it was all

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about, like, nobody's asking for your opinion, the less people

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ask, which is nobody's asking, the more you should shut up and

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not give your opinion. I thought it was so funny, but the world

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is not designed like that right now. Right now, everybody wants

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to be an armchair expert. Right now. Everybody wants to be

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selling you something, whether it's their opinion, their

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product, their program, their bullshit, whatever it is. So we

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have to have greater levels of self discernment, but we can't

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really discern when we don't have a foundation of self trust

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and trusting ourselves. So here's my second question, how

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might things change? How might your life change if you started

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getting more curious for yourself,

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if you started trusting your own discernment and yourself more,

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and you might do this through reading more books. You might do

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it by doing your own research, listening to you know, reputable

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sources, finding out, doing the homework to find out if it's a

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reputable source, right. If we start to trust ourselves more,

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have more discernment, get more self knowledge, get more self

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integrity, self awareness, whatever, we are going to have a

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really different experience in life. And I really want to

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encourage you to just stop drinking everybody else's Kool

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Aid. Go out amongst the real people and have real

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relationships. Go out and have relationships with animals, with

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nature, with others, with strangers, and come to find out

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for yourself what you think, what you feel, what you believe,

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what your experience has been. You might not be a line three,

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but there's some shit that you could really benefit from of

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taking some of those traits of being curious and going out

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right far following find out for yourself. This is what writers

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have known all along. As writers, we often say I write to

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Discover what I think, what I feel and what I believe. We

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think we know what we believe, and then we start talking, and

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then we start writing, and then we start having conversations,

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and we realize that our minds are actually malleable. There is

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neuroplasticity. We can learn things, unlearn things, and

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relearn things, but not if we're not willing to find out. And you

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got to find out for yourself.

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Be curious about the person in your family that everybody has

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always said they're the black sheep. They're this, they're

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that. Because I guarantee you, there is another side of the

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story. I guarantee you, there is a different perspective. And if

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we're more willing to put ourselves in other people's

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shoes, to suspend our judgment and to be more curious, you

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might just find out that we are all a lot more alike than we

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think. And look, I stand pretty firmly right. I always say I go

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back to being an independent, but I tend to obviously lean

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right, more towards the democratic and the liberal side.

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I am like, that's how I kind of, I guess I don't do identity

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politics so much as saying I'm this thing. It's more about,

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what are the issues? What are the things? What am I getting?

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So I'm not shy. I'm very open about what I think politically

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and where I land and where I stand, you know, but you still

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got to find out shit for yourself. You don't just drink

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the Kool Aid, right? You got to be curious. So I hope that this

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has been helpful to you in some way. At the very least, I always

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say, I hope that the podcast either is, you know, educates,

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elevates, enlightens, entertains, or makes some sort

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of emotional connection. So I hope at least one of those

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things happen for you today. I appreciate you so much for being

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here and spending time with me and you guys, if you want to

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have some real life in person, hands on experience.

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Experiences, and you're local, you know? I office stuff. I do

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Thai Yoga, massage slash tie yoga, body work. I often have

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workshops in town, right? I teach yoga classes. I do

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mentoring. You can mentor over Voxer, a Voice app. You don't

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even have to get on a call. Have a little hot to hot day with me,

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but I'm always I like I cannot be replaced by AI. That's one of

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the things I don't have to get. I'm not a fan of AI at all, but

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me and my work is very literally hands on, right in Person A lot

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of times, so I can't be replaced by some machine. AI is just a

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thinking like it's really not even thinking. It's more like

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computing machine. It's never going to replace human

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heartbeat. It's never going to replace the warmth of a human

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body. It's never going to replace the experience of human

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presence, of somebody being in a room with you and really paying

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attention and asking you questions and and noticing your

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body language and your energy and how you feel and responding

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to that. And that's one of those experiences that I really had

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with this whole thing, of selling these things to total

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strangers, who I got to meet in real relation, in real time. And

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I know it's just a snippet, it's just a little window of time,

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but I could be in the room with them and see their body

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language, and see the pain in their eyes, or see their bodies

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and see what their how they hold themselves, how they talk, you

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know, and that's irreplaceable. And I think the more that we and

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I know I'm on a tangent right now. So thank you for being

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here, but I think this is what the world is longing for, and

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it's only going to get stronger that analog in person small

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groups. I want to be seen. I want to be heard. I want to

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actually feel connected to real humans, not through devices, but

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like looking each other in the eye, you know, being able to

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hear their breath, being able to see them. So it's a powerful

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thing. So I don't know you guys, find out for yourself. Thank you

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for being here wherever you go. May you leave the animals and

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the people in yourself and the environment and the planet

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better than how you first found it wherever you go. May you and

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your presence and your love and your energy and your curiosity,

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your desire to really find out, be a blessing. Bye. Hey, thanks

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so much for listening to the show. I really love spending

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some time together. Now, if you dig the show or know someone

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that could benefit from this episode, please share it with

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them and help me to spread the good word and the love. And if

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you want to be in the know about all of my upcoming shenanigans,

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head on over to Karen kenney.com/sign

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up and join my list. It'll be wicked fun to stay in touch.

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Bye. You.